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  • #2
    Turkey-Syria War On The Horizon: Airstrikes Target Invading Turkish Army Convoy

    Profile picture for user Tyler Durdenby Tyler Durden
    Mon, 08/19/2019 - 10:01

    Turkey and Syria could be headed for war as their armies increasingly clash on front lines in southern Idlib, also amid a heavy aerial bombardment by Syrian and Russian jets of al-Qaeda held Khan Sheikhoun.

    On Monday a Turkish convoy came under attack by Syrian airstrikes while traversing a highway headed toward Khan Sheikhoun. Damascus has accused Turkey of seeking to aid terrorists in the besieged town, which had been site of prior chemical attack claims issued by anti-Assad fighters, and fired "warning shots" on the approaching armored convoy, killing and injuring some among the pro-Turkish force.
    Turkish convoy in southern Idlib on Monday, via the AFP
    An AFP correspondent observed around 50 Turkish armed vehicles, including at least five tanks, traveling through Idlib which the Syrian government has condemned as an illegal breach of its sovereign borders.
    The convoy is said to be laden with ammunition resupplies for local "rebels" battling the Syrian Army in southern Idlib province. Ankara's position has been to claim massive Syrian-Russian airstrikes are a violation of prior agreements between Russia, Turkey, and Syria.

    At least one fighter from a Turkish-backed faction was reported killed in the airstrikes on the convoy, which halted its movement south, along with many injured. Some reports said there were multiple among the dead.

    Turkey's defense ministry "strongly" condemned the incident, with statements out of Damascus saying Turkey is seeking to resupply terrorist groups on Syrian soil.

    "Despite repeated warnings we made to the authorities of the Russian Federation, the military operations by the regime forces continue in Idlib region in violation of the existing memorandums and agreements with the Russian Federation," Turkey's defense ministry said in a statement.

    Syrian state news agency SANA, citing a Foreign Ministry source, responded that Turkey's invading force would not impede "the determination of the Syrian Arab Army to keep hunting the remnants of terrorists."

    Meanwhile, it must be remembered that Khan Sheikhoun was site of a previously claimed chemical attack incident in April 2017, which the White House used as a pretext for bombing Syria, followed by a more devastating attack on Damascus the year following.

    Though Syria has largely fallen out of mainstream media headlines, events rapidly unfolding in Idlib will soon likely take center stage, especially should another claimed chemical attack incident play out, and given it is entirely in the besieged insurgents' interest for some kind of "mass casualty" event involving sarin or another chemical to gain the immediate attention of the West.

    Good to see Syria take a bit of action here. Would have been even better if they actually hit the convoy, but I don't know if Syria wants to have a full out war with Turkey.


    • #3
      The agreements Turkey claimed are being broken are already null and void because key to the agreement was Turkey removing jihadists from the pocket - rather than arm them - which they are doing as I type this. Turkey was hoping this land would become a type of Northern Cyprus. Sadly for Turkey, Syrians don't fuck around..


      • #4
        Oh look the turks bitching about broken agreements, when they themselves have broken the agreements. I've seen that movie before.

        Turks need to be ousted from Syria entirely and I hope the Kurds give them problems for a long long time


        • #5
          All the Turk's friends are making speeches in their defence. Macron at the forefront..

          I suspect Macron may just be trying to placate the 1000s of Paris-based Jihadists upset by the SAA's advances.

          What a hero..


          • #6
            Good breakdown video right here explaining the events that transpired yesterday



            • #7
              Seems to be about right.


              • #8
                Trump has given Erdogan the ok to essentially take over American positions in NE Syria, as Trump claims that the US has been in Syria for far too long. Claims the Kurds helped in getting rid of ISIS but were paid a ton of money and were given a lot of arms.

                This is after the initial reporting was Erdogan had called Trump to set up a meeting regarding Syria in November.

                The kurds were apparently not given forewarning, and the pentagon was blindised. So Trump went rogue on making a decision like this?

                Trump's foreign policy, especially as it relates to Syria, has been an unmitigated disaster. Turks will embark on their vision of ethnic cleansing, as Erdogan had gleefully stated in his UN speech.

                So the kurds will go, and will be replaced by other Arab Syrians. Does Syria even care? Are they incapable of putting up a fight against the Turks? What will Russia do?

                If I'm the EU, I would swiftly take the position in NE Syria to repel an attack, but we all know the EU is filled with spineless sacks of shit so that won't happen

                The White House announced late Sunday that Turkey will soon move forward with a planned military operation in northeast Syria, as U.S. troops who have been deployed and operating with Kurdish-led forces in the area began pulling back from their positions.

                The decision sent shockwaves through the region and Washington, with U.S. officials telling Fox News that top Pentagon officials were “completely blindsided” and “shocked” by the order to pull back hundreds of U.S. troops, a move that effectively green-lights the Turkey operation. President Trump spoke with Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan by telephone.

                Some officials see the move as a betrayal of the Kurds, whom the U.S. supported against ISIS for years.

                Speaking on "Fox & Friends" Monday morning, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., called it an "impulsive decision" by Trump that would undo U.S. gains in the region and give ISIS fighters a "second lease on life."

                He tweeted: "If press reports are accurate this is a disaster in the making."

                But Trump vociferously defended the decision in a string of tweets early Monday morning, saying the ISIS "Caliphate" has been defeated and lamenting that the U.S. was in the region years longer than planned. Reprising the rhetoric on foreign wars he has often used on the campaign trail, he described the fight as a regional conflict for Turkey and other countries to wage -- not America's problem.

                "The United States was supposed to be in Syria for 30 days, that was many years ago. We stayed and got deeper and deeper into battle with no aim in sight. When I arrived in Washington, ISIS was running rampant in the area. We quickly defeated 100% of the ISIS Caliphate," he said.

                As for the Kurds, he tweeted: "The Kurds fought with us, but were paid massive amounts of money and equipment to do so. They have been fighting Turkey for decades. I held off this fight for ... almost 3 years, but it is time for us to get out of these ridiculous Endless Wars, many of them tribal, and bring our soldiers home. WE WILL FIGHT WHERE IT IS TO OUR BENEFIT, AND ONLY FIGHT TO WIN. Turkey, Europe, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Russia and the Kurds will now have to ... figure the situation out, and what they want to do with the captured ISIS fighters in their 'neighborhood.'"

                Trump voiced confidence that the U.S. will still be able to "crush ISIS again" if they threaten America.

                The U.S. will not be involved in the Turkey operation, the White House said.

                "The United States will not hold them for what could be many years and great cost to the United States taxpayer," the statement read. "Turkey will now be responsible for all ISIS fighters in the area captured over the past two years in the wake of the territorial 'Caliphate' by the United States."

                Hours after the announcement, Kurdish-led forces in Syria reported that American troops have begun withdrawing from areas along Turkey's border. A video posted by a Kurdish news agency showed a convoy of American armored vehicles apparently heading away from the border area of Tal Abyad.


                The decision to give Ankara the green light was seen by the Kurdish fighters as a major shift in U.S. policy. Over 11,000 mostly Kurdish fighters in the U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) have been killed fighting ISIS in Syria.

                One U.S. commander who helped lead the anti-ISIS effort told Fox News the decision amounts to a propaganda victory for China and Russia, saying those countries can tell would-be U.S. partners that America will abandon them.

                “No one will ever partner with us again,” the commander said.

                As for Turkey's intentions with the Kurds, the senior military officer said: “They are going to slaughter those cats.”

                The White House announcement comes less than a week after Gen. Mark Milley became the U.S. military’s top officer – chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff – replacing Gen. Joe Dunford, and more than two months after Defense Secretary Mark Esper was sworn in after Jim Mattis resigned in December over the president’s decision to pull U.S. troops out of Syria.


                Erdogan said his country has given enough warning and has “acted with enough patience.” Erdogan has expressed frustration with Washington’s support for Kurdish groups in Syria.

                The Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces said it is committed to the agreement between Turkey and the U.S. to preserve stability in the region.


                "However, we will not hesitate to turn any unprovoked attack by Turkey into an all-out war on the entire border to DEFEND ourselves and our people," SDF spokesman Mustafa Bali tweeted a day earlier.
                Ruben Gallego, D-Ariz., an Iraq war veteran, said on Twitter, "Allowing Turkey to move into northern Syria is one of the most destabilizing moves we can do in the Middle East. The Kurds will never trust America again. They will look for new alliances or independence to protect themselves."


                Turkey views the People's Protection Units, or YPG, as an extension of the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which has waged an insurgency against Turkey for 35 years.

                Ankara and Washington consider the PKK a terror group but they diverge on the issue of the YPG, which forms the core of U.S.-backed Syrian forces against ISIS and is loosely linked with the SDF.

                Last edited by Filikieteria1821; 10-07-2019, 01:47 PM.


                • #9
                  The EU will happily oblige them:


                  In mid-September, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan threatened to open refugee floodgates to Europe if Brussels does not assist Ankara in its plans to create 32-kilometer-wide “safe zone” inside northeastern Syria currently held by the Kurdish YPG militia, which Turkey considers terrorists.

                  “If you can’t accept this business, we will open the gates. Let them [refugees] go from there wherever they want,” Erdogan told Reuters at the time. He also issued a scathing rebuke to the EU by saying that the financial assistance Turkey received from Europe is insufficient and that his nation already spent $40 billion hosting 3.6 million people, who fled to Turkey since 2011 when the Syrian conflict erupted.
                  Also the US plans to sell 3.5 billion dollars worth in Patriot surface-to-air missiles to Turkey.


                  • #10
                    Assad's forces need to start retaking Idlib asap. The minute the turkish tanks are there - it is game over. Already Turkish is being taught in schools since the Turks became the protectorate of the region a few years ago.


                    • #11
                      Trump is an incompetent fool who makes brash decisions such as this. Very disappointing and further highlights how unsuited he is to be President.


                      • #12
                        Trump has followed up with the following "As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if turkey does anything that I, in my great and umatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the economy of turkey (I've done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over the captured ISIS fighters and families. The U.S. has done far more than anyone could have ever expected, including the capture of 100% of the ISIS caliphate. It is time now for others in the region, some of great wealth, to protect their own territory. The US is Great!"

                        Trump, man, you're not doing yourself any favors. Does he actually think Turkey will not enact genocide/population exchange? Turkey's agenda has been on display for years, they don't even allow Kurds to speak Kurdish in turkey officially.

                        Also, Trump completely forgets that he has not slapped CAATSA sanctions on Turkey, why would anyone think he would sanction them over killing Kurds, who to trump seem insignificant


                        • #13
                          Turkey has officially launched an invasion of Northern Syria. Apparently, its been dubbed Operation Peace Spring, but this will be an absolute disaster. Syria will never regain the territory they're about to lose, and the amount of civilian displacement and population engineering that will take place, will be disgusting. I'm not a fan of the Kurds as they too have committed great atrocities against our greek ancestors, but in 2019, they being an enemy of the Turks, means I do feel sympathy for their cause.

                          The Turks again are given a pat on the back, and sustain absolutely no backlash for this. Will erdogan convince Trump that Greek cypriots and Greece pose a security threat to Turkish borders too?

                          This is a slippery slope that can directly screw over our countrymen/women
                          Last edited by Filikieteria1821; 10-09-2019, 05:01 PM.


                          • #14
                            Tsipras made the Turks stronger by staying out of the debate. There should be greek soldiers on the ground guarding christian villages established by the Byzantines.


                            • #15
                              And it has continues under Mitsotakis. The cool thing to do in modern politics is to strongly condemn military operations, but to never get involved. Greece has been playing on the sidelines of international politics since 1974. The coup and subsequent invasion by the Turks seems to have permanent pussified Greece's policy makers.

                              France and UK want to have an emergency security council meeting at the UN, which will likely result in nothing and the EU is drafting a "strongly" worded letter against Turkey