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    Someone who was on this forum, who thought there was no harm or foul in watching Turkish soaps on Greek TV, said there is no serious risk of a war between Greece and Turkey.

    To put things into perspective, this is happening right now between Armenia and Azerbaijan (Turks).

    Nagorno-Karabakh is internationally recognised as part of Azerbaijan but is controlled by ethnic Armenians.

    This clash, however, took place north of this disputed territory.

    Azerbaijan says heavy fighting is continuing in Tovuz district, bordering on Tavush in north-eastern Armenia.
    The clash took place inside Armenia proper.

    An Azeri private also died, bringing the Azeri death toll so far to 11. Armenia says four of its troops - two of them officers - were killed.
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    Azerbaijan's military said it had destroyed an Armenian fortification and artillery and had inflicted casualties on "hundreds" of Armenian troops. Armenia denied suffering any casualties on that scale, but reported several wounded besides the two officers killed.
    At an emergency meeting on Monday, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev said: "Armenia's political and military leadership will bear the entire responsibility for the provocation."

    Armenia, however, accused its neighbour of "using artillery in an attack aimed at capturing [Armenian] positions".

    "This aggression against the security of the civilian population of Armenia will receive a proportionate response, for which the Azerbaijani side bears full responsibility," an Armenia foreign ministry spokeswoman said in a statement.
    Make no mistake, Azerbaijani Turks are the aggressors. This was made evident in the remarks made by Azerbaijan's president:

    The escalation in fighting comes just days after Azerbaijan's President Aliyev criticised international mediators conducting peace negotiations with Armenia, describing the process as "meaningless". He also accused Armenia of dragging its feet in order to maintain the status quo.
    The sides accuse each other of starting the latest flare-up, and all eyes are now on Russia. It helped negotiate a ceasefire in 2016 after the so-called "April War" - in which some 200 soldiers and civilians were killed, and the two sides came close to all-out war.
    If Armenia wants to drag out the status quo, then why would they escalate tensions like this? Logically, it's Azerbaijan that has been acting out.

    Get ready because there may be a time soon when we face the same threats from the evil Turks.
    Azerbaijan says the officer was among 11 Azeri troops killed in three days of fighting with Armenia.

  • #2
    How good is Armenia's army?

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    • Don Giovanni
      Don Giovanni commented
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      I can't say, but I think they're lying about the number of causalities they have suffered.

  • #3
    Armenia is winning the social media game and the picture being portrayed is that Azerbaijan has suffered a ton of casualties, while Armenia has gotten away with suffering minimal fatalities.

    I've seen a lot of anti-Turkish sentiment coming out - things like a genocide wasn't enough, now turkey wants to help its brother out to finish the job.

    If Turkey seriously does enter this conflict it will then have open conflicts in Armenia, Libya, Syria, Kurds, Cyprus, Aegean.

    How many enemies does a country have to have before things get out of hand?

    Also, will Turkey risk being called genocidal? I recognize they have never admitted to their genocide versus Armenians, but any attack on Armenia will open up a fresh wound and allow for genocide talks to intensify drastically

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    • #4
      Azeri President Ilham Aliyev has sacked his foreign minister Elmar Mamedyarov over the border skirmishes with Armenia

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      • #5
        for a little nation, a new nation...a people that have been slapped around for centuries by turks, kurds..anti-christians.....today's armenia is the greece of 110 years ago.

        fearless. going to war with the turk's cousins and giving them a beating, not afraid of turkey. today's greek is yesterday's armenian and today's armenian is yesterday's greek.

        i wrote all that years ago on the other website. it's today's greece with all it's fancy weapons and russian zubovs that shits it's pants over kafeneio issues of what will turkey do? what will nato say? will our citizens believe the cia or israel is behind this or that??

        debating the morals or realities is secondary to the spirit today's armenia has shown compared to greece.

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          • #7
            Has Mitsotakis even made a statement concerning his support for Armenia?

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            • #8
              good point. material or ideological support isn't necessary - just muddy the waters with a caucasus 'grey zone' against the azeris - who haven't established diplomatic relations with cyprus. a caucasus 'grey zone', like turkey does with greek sovereign territory. a way for greece to add to turkey's headache...and greece gives turkey 2 aspirins and a glass of water.

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              • #9
                He's too nice Mitsotakis. He needs to find his feet and find it fast.

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                • #10
                  He believes diplomacy is the way to go with Turks and Germans.

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                  • #11
                    The Turks are looking to drag us into a conflict. We need to put Erdogan under more pressure internationally, turn into a wedge issue for the American election, and we need to be prepared for anything the Turks throw at us.

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                    • Filikieteria1821
                      Filikieteria1821 commented
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                      Erdogan does not know how the elections are going to turn out and I believe that he feels the opportunity is now to make a move regarding Greece. If he waits till November and Biden wins, I assume things will be much more difficult for him.

                  • #12
                    Greek foreign policy is rooted in soft words and half assed actions that are questionable at best and laughable at worst.

                    Instead of talking to Germany - why hasn't Greece exclusively aligned itself with France who actually seems to have a plan to combat turkey?

                    Germany is trying to ensure things don't get to the point where turkey and Greece go to war while it's leading the European union council presidency.

                    Greece has no plan - seems to have scrapped its purchase of the belharra frigates and is now scrambling to ensure it's current equipment is sufficient enough to ward off Turkey.

                    It's incredible how poorly run Greece is - always operating from behind, scrambling to find a way. So many missed opportunities to make a stand and to operate with a spine. None of us are asking for an all out war, what we're asking for is just a position. Make a statement saying you'r'e ready to offer Armenia assistance, make a statement saying you're willing to send arms/advisors to LNA, sign an EEZ agreement with Cyprus.

                    This managed state of inaction has allowed Turkey to grow to the point where there's going to be a loss of territory at some point, and being part of NATO/EU is not going to save us because Turkey will gladly exit NATO if it means it gets to extend its borders.

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                    • #13
                      Greece makes light steps when I think we all want forceful steps that scream "we are still players on the international stage".

                      In regards to Armenia, I just saw a story on twitter stating "Greek military delegation meet with Minister of Defense of Armenia in Yerevan to discuss bilateral cooperation in the field of defense"

                      All fine and dandy but where is Mitsotakis and his official support of armenia?

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                      • #14
                        As you said Filikieteria1821 , this isn't about going to war with Turkey, but we need to posture enough to show we are ready to do so if necessary. Mitsotakis needs to toughen up fast.

                        The most important thing he can do is call out Erdogan as a threat on par with Iran. The more he can paint Erdogan as an anti-Christian and anti-Semitic Islamist, the more ground we'll make across the board. We have to make the rest of world realize that his ambitions must be curtailed. In my opinion, this actually opens to door to work constructively with Russia for a change. That will be key to preventing Turkey from playing on both sides of the fence and helping Libya rebuild herself as a stable and relatively functional society that isn't ruled by medieval Islamists.

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                        • #15
                          Turkey has used both NATO and Germany as a shield and deflection device in order to rebuilt the the Ottoman Empire. It is absurd and quite frankly sad that greece still writes letters to either complaining about Turkey. As for France, all bark and no bite. Macron is a more powerful version of Mitsotakis, all talk..

                          NATO itself was pivotal in helping Kosovo establish itself - safe and independant.

                          There is a very similar situation now in Azerbaijan's Nagorno-Karabakh region - except the Christian/Islam demographic is exactly reversed. Nagorno-Karabakh is over 90% Christian Armenian demographically and they have survived many famous massacres by the surrounding Azeris and they want independence from Azerbaijan. Turkish eyes are fixed on them. Europe however? NATO? They seem ever so strangely quiet and reticent.

                          Will NATO step in when the fighting starts again - or are the Armenians the wrong religion for NATO - Orthodox Christians (like the dreaded Russians!) as opposed to safe and peaceful Sunni Muslims like the Turks, Bosnians, Kosovars and every jihadist in the middle east?

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Artsakh

                          Greece needs to expand its military machine. Training all these Greeks for what? So they can jump on the first flight out of Greece quicker than an untrained citizen when Turkey invades? There should be Greeks now doing stretches of their military service in Cyprus, Armenia, Georgia, Serbia, Egypt and beyond. If you are not expanding as a nation, you are shrinking, even the Turks have the IQ to understand that.. come on Greeks!

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