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  • Reaper
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    Yea, don't think Norwich knows what to do with a player like this but..

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  • LoneHorseman
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    Looks like he's good as gone. Mix feelings about the move... Wish him luck
    Norwich City are close to signing Christos Tzolis after agreeing a fee with Greek club PAOK, according to reports in Greece.

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  • Dean97
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    Apparently Club Brugge are still trying to get him. Wouldn’t be such a bad move. Staying in Greece another season also wouldn’t be that bad.

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  • Dean97
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    I don’t really think the national team affected Tzolis. I think he’s better than that. He’s played on the right many times. I think this dip in form happens from time to time. He’s gone all season scoring and assisting and now he’s been ineffective these last few games. He’s proving he’s human after all as he’s been the most consistent performer nearly every week. I still don’t think Garcia should bench him the way he does. That doesn’t do anyone favours. Him leaving might have something to do with it.

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  • Reaper
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    Originally posted by LoneHorseman View Post
    Why has Pablo Garcia effectively benched the kid the last month or so. Has been the club's best offensive performer most of the year. Granted, saw his play dip a bit with the national team and club this last part of the season, but in no way warrants this sort of reply by Garcia. If I were Savvidis seeing one of my PRIZED ASSETS depreciating on the bench, I would have a little talk with the Uruguayan
    Indeed, he was red hot until VS placed him on the right that day.. he seems to have lost form since then. Regardless - his minutes since then make no sense. Perhaps he is already sold and he is being kept healthy for his new team (doubt it). The more likely reality is that Garcia is an idiot. PAOK playing Zikovic on the right and Tziolis on the left looked pretty devastating. Not sure what Garcia is thinking - especially as Warda plays better on the right or centrally. Belgians lobbying hard to get him.

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  • LoneHorseman
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    Why has Pablo Garcia effectively benched the kid the last month or so. Has been the club's best offensive performer most of the year. Granted, saw his play dip a bit with the national team and club this last part of the season, but in no way warrants this sort of reply by Garcia. If I were Savvidis seeing one of my PRIZED ASSETS depreciating on the bench, I would have a little talk with the Uruguayan

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  • Dean97
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    Originally posted by Reaper View Post
    Best move for him imo. The technical team there will turn him into a beast. Also they still fond of Greeks after Tsiartas.
    Yeah I just hope he gets game time. Greeks have done well in Spain. Like Tsiartas and Siovas.

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  • Reaper
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    Best move for him imo. The technical team there will turn him into a beast. Also they still fond of Greeks after Tsiartas.

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  • Dean97
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    Christos Tzolis is a transfer target for Sevilla. The 19 year old PAOK winger, one of the most promising Greek talents, is seen as a replacement for Lucas Ocampos if Sevilla do sell the Argentinean winger this summer. [TodoFichajes]

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  • Reaper
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    Originally posted by LoneHorseman View Post

    I agree more with your trajectory's Reap in Tzolis career, than the ManU route. I also agree the Bundesliga's wear and tear style shortened K Pap's career and stalled Retsos, but also lends itself to more of a free flowing game that's right up Tzolis wheelhouse. I salivate at the dynamics of him and Haaland up front, if say Dortmund do sign him
    Dortmund must def be one of the most likely to acquire him. The explosiveness of his play must have them chomping at the bit. Def would be a good choice for them.

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  • LoneHorseman
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    Originally posted by Reaper View Post
    A contract can have minutes written into it. A club may buy him and loan him out to get more minutes or he may pick a less high profile club that guarantees minutes.

    I would like to see him bought my a big Spanish club and loaned out with guaranteed minutes to a Spanish side competing in Europe next season, like a Sevilla or Sociedad.
    I agree more with your trajectory's Reap in Tzolis career, than the ManU route. I also agree the Bundesliga's wear and tear style shortened K Pap's career and stalled Retsos, but also lends itself to more of a free flowing game that's right up Tzolis wheelhouse. I salivate at the dynamics of him and Haaland up front, if say Dortmund do sign him

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  • Reaper
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    Remember Retsos was virtually never injured in Greece. Same with K.Paps. The physicality of Germany wiped them out.

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  • Dean97
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    I can see players like Ninis, Fetfa, Fortounis and Mantalos doing well in Spain. Tzolis for me I think would suit an England or Germany but we’ll see what happens. Most Greeks seem to go to Italy and Germany and they all mostly reach there ceiling there. I’d like to see more Greeks succeed obviously in England or Spain.

    Just like that article that you posted Reaper, Tsimikas, Sokratis and Manolas seem to be the only players making a career for themselves while the others have failed to live up to expectations. Tzolis has momentum going for him and I think he will make the right decision. He seems very professional aswell. Not many Greeks like him. Very ambitious and headstrong.

    Retsos is also very ambitious and professional but injuries are getting in the way of his development.

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  • Reaper
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    Dealer's choice really.

    Depends on the player but for me Spain is the best league on the planet. The lack of physicality compared to Germany, Italy and the Prem for me is a plus not a minus. I don't think Tsiartas would has succeeded in a mid level prem team the way he did at sevilla. Defenders like Kyriakos, Siovas, Manolas, Sokratis, Dellas etc - I think they can succeed in any league on earth. La Liga for me has more in common with Greece than the Prem anyway. I know Stelios did ok at Bolton, but I think he would have shone more in Spain. I think both Ninis and Fetfa would have likely enhanced their careers in Andalucia the way Tsiartas did.

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  • Dean97
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    Originally posted by Reaper View Post
    A contract can have minutes written into it. A club may buy him and loan him out to get more minutes or he may pick a less high profile club that guarantees minutes.

    I would like to see him bought my a big Spanish club and loaned out with guaranteed minutes to a Spanish side competing in Europe next season, like a Sevilla or Sociedad.
    What about an English side? The Italian or German aren’t so bad either. I just hope wherever he goes he gets minutes and isn’t rotting on the bench. A mid table English side like a Southampton or Everton or even a side competing in Europe like Spurs would be a good start before he makes that jump to a United or Barca.

    I don’t know if the Spanish league makes Greek players flourish. Unless your a player like Ninis or Fetfa than the Spanish league would suit them. Spanish league is more for technique and skill, while the English is more physical and powerful. The German, Italian and French are the feeders for Spain and England in my opinion.

    Like I don’t know if Tsimikas going from Greece to England was a good idea. He’s a back up there and that isn’t really going to take you to the next level. Unless he gets loaned to a Wolves or something. You need to be playing consistently and at a high level like Europa or Champions league. Manolas for me should’ve went to England after leaving Roma.

    Sokratis did it the right way in my opinion. He started in Greece, then went to Italy and Germany for a long period of time and then went to England which is arguably the best league in the world along with Spain. Now he is ending his career in Greece. Can’t really ask for a better career. Along the whole way through he was a starter for all his clubs except for Milan.
    Last edited by Dean97; 02-28-2021, 01:11 AM.

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