Cyprus - Our Brothers

[Filikieteria1821]

Cyprus as well know is the last major catastrophe for Greece and its ambitions to regain what was lost in the past.

It's been 44 years since the invasion that divided the island along ethnic lines, and there's no end in sight. For all discussion regarding out cypriot brothers, please post here!

[Filikieteria1821]

https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/08/28/t...north-reports/

The turks have tabled a proposal to build a naval base in the occupied north. With this race for energy, Turkey is going to come up with any way to get its foot in the door. Their population is at 80 million and there energy needs are massive.

Going forward, this would further cement the notion that Cyprus will forever be divided IMO because the UK is notorious for being Turkey's lapdog, while the US is just now figuring out that they be tough with the Turks. Greece is a lost cause with its military development being at a minimal.

Cyprus needed Greece to be a powerful, developed, and militarily dominant and it is not that. Turkey's spending spree on a naval base seems suspect though as it is a major expenditure. More sanctions and lira devaluation are needed so Turkey's plans can be halted.

[Filikieteria1821]

Turks have their natural gas drilling ship off the western coast of Cyprus while Greece has sent Nikiforos Fokas frigate to block it. The turks later sent more frigates to counter Nikiforos.

Greece will forever be scared of Turkey launching an attack on Aegean islands closer to our shores, but if Greece ever wants to be competitive with Turkey, they are going to have to invest more in long range naval capabilities. Turkey cannot have this power over Greece and the Greek Cypriot interests.

[aek66]

more of the same. 100 years ago, greece had by far the stronger navy, which helped win the crucial 1st balkan war. today, turkey has a clear naval advantage as far as shipbuilding and number of ships.

it was wrongly stated on another forum that greece had purchased russian s-300 missiles from russia. turkey threw a temper tantrum when cyprus agreed to buy them - cyprus hid under the bed, greece hid in the closet and greece ended up taking them off cyprus as russia delivered to greece, instead.

greece had the missiles for some 13 years on crete before even deciding to test them. the mark of the kepatouli. the range were around 120 miles, which took them well out of cypriot air range - exactly what the turks wanted.

since greece is not run from a barracks, easier for turkey to throw it's weight around.

it appears the turks are now trying to make nice with trump and the usa, we'll always be the ugly bridesmaid....and, deservedly so.

[Don Giovanni]

Turkey now have a chip in the game thanks to the Kashoggi murder. I won't be surprise if they end up helping covering it up if it means having leveraged over Saudi Arabia and Trump.

[Filikieteria1821]

Funny to see the media crying about Kashoggi meanwhile Turkey gets a pass for the shit they did and do to journalists. Greece is playing catch up against the Turks and it's exactly why we're losing.

I've said this before but Erdogan is one of the biggest scum bags in modern history but he manages to pull a rabbit out of a hat every single time shit is about to hit the fan. Greece is always in reaction mode, rather than initiating.

Also, this Kashoggi thing is all nonsense. Kashoggi is a known muslim bortherhood sympathizer, but his journalist brethren are so sad about him?

Also, the western stupidity of thinking Turkish sources are legitimate is hilarious to watch on social media. People think turkey is innocent in this Kashoggi ordeal but they don't realize that the turks are the #1 jailers of journalists, now surpassing China, and they hate Saudi Arabia due to the Qatar crisis and because of the fight for muslim world dominance.

[Filikieteria1821]

Cyprus files were officially published, you can find the files here

https://library.parliament.gr/%CE%A3...81%CE%BF%CF%85

[Filikieteria1821]

https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/02/22/t...kish-military/

The government said on Thursday it was in contact with the United Nations Peacekeeping Force in Cyprus (Unficyp) regarding recent tensions in the Strovilia area, where the Turkish military is said to have further advanced its position, in violation of the status quo around the buffer zone.

“We are handling the matter in cooperation with the United Nations. As of now, no assessment can be made and thus no further statements can be made at the time,” said government spokesman Prodromos Prodromou.

Earlier in the day, asked to comment on media reports, Unficyp spokesperson Aleem Siddique said the peacekeeping force was aware of tensions in Strovilia and was liaising with both sides to defuse the situation.

Daily Phileleftheros reported that the Turkish military had advanced in the Strovilia area, increasing the extent of the territory under occupation. They reportedly placed barrels, bars and chains to cut off an area where three Greek Cypriot families reside in three houses.

Citing sources, the state broadcaster confirmed the report. The incursion of the Turkish military had taken place between 1 and 11 February, it said.

CyBC said also that the Greek Cypriot families have been told by the Turkish military that they now live in the ‘Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus’ and that they would therefore need travel documents issued by the breakaway north if they wish to visit the nearby British base.

In 2000 the Turkish military moves its position forward, violating the status quo in the village of Strovilia, a UN-controlled strip of land situated between the Sovereign Base Area in Dhekelia and the ‘TRNC’. Despite repeated calls by the UN to pull back to its original position, the Turkish military has not complied.

In its latest renewal of Unficyp’s mandate last month, the UN Security in its official resolution called on the Turkish Cypriot side and Turkish forces to restore in Strovilia the military status quo which existed there prior to 30 June 2000.

UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, in his report prior to the mandate renewal had said that “military positions established by the opposing forces in violation of the status quo inside the buffer zone and at Strovillia remained in place and are classified as permanent violations”.

“In a concerning development, the reporting period saw renewed restrictions of movement and even threats directed at Unficyp military personnel in Strovillia,” he said.


So the Turks have once again shown what their true in intentions are. The more this natural gas stuff goes on, the more the turks will aggravate the situation and possibly launch further into cyprus to further their argument that they have rights in Cyprus.

Greece has sat on it's hands, the EU has sat on it's hands, and so has America.

I'm beating a dead horse at this point since I know nothing is going to change, but why hasn't Greece cut off all diplomatic relations with Turkey citing these movements in and around Cyprus?

It's ridiculous at this point.

[Reaper]

The sad truth is file, there are millions of Greeks around - especially in key political roles, who suffer from Ottoman Stockholm syndrome.

[Filikieteria1821]

Exxon has found a sizeable (5-8 trillion cubic feet) natural gas reserve in block 10 of Cyprus’ EEZ. This discovery is going to launch a very interesting chain of events going forward. Turkey will either launch another invasion in Cyprus, or will look to block Exxon from further exploration. But Exxon, an American company, is not to be fucked with. If there’s one country that will go above and beyond to secure energy resources, it’s america.

the likes of ENI were chased away by the Turkish navy, that is not happening with the Americans.

Still very early in the process but we all know turkey will do everything it can, usually by force, to secure what it wants.

Greece as a guarantor power better get itself in order, fast, because if turkey does launch a legitimate invasion, Cyprus will not be able to defend itself.

[Filikieteria1821]

Turkey has sent a letter to the UN's secretary general - antonio guterres, stating they will start drilling in Cyprus' EEZ within the next few days.

1) It's holy week
2) The Turks have 40k troops stationed in the north and are a quick signal away from invading the South.

There has never been a legitimate means to reunify the island, but Erdogan has been losing a ton of support at home, losing Ankara and Constantinople in the mayoral elections.

He is going to use this stunt against Cyprus, and perhaps a war with Kurds in Syria to garner nationalist support, even with a dying economy.

I do think that Turkey will threaten to invade the south at some point or another as the stakes are huge with these natural gas reserves.

They have 82 million people and need to expand its energy resources in order to support their idea of being a super power.

[Filikieteria1821]

The Turks have accompanied their research vessel (which is violating Cyprus' EEZ) with one of their combat ships.

Despite being denounced by pretty much everyone, they have gone ahead. Greece and Cyprus keep on peddling this "the turks are bad because they disregard international law" which screams weakness.

The Turks understand one thing, and one thing only, and that is force.

Unfortunately, both Greece and Cyprus are not strong enough to take on Turkey in it's modern form and have now become reliant on the EU and others for help.

The EU will not do anything meaningful versus Turkey in fear that Turkey will open up the borders and flood Europe with more migrants, while the UK will likely also not do anything, even as a guarantor power because of Brexit and needing friends in a turbulent time.

I'm also not confident that the US will do anything either

[Reaper]

Greece and Cyprus do not have the IQ to look beyond the failed reporting a bully to teacher strategy. If anything, this strategy has helped create the Aegean Grey Zones. But.. perhaps deep down... subconsciously... many Greeks want Turks back in charge of their lives. It is an unpleasant thing to contemplate but all the pieces fit.. Since the King of Greece was assassinated after the liberation of Salonika - it has been one way traffic both politically and culturally - back to the Ottoman masters. Many Greeks seem lost without them. So what do they do? Play Turkish songs on the radio, have wall to wall Turkish soaps on TV - in Turkish.. We allow them to violate our airspace and we don;t shoot them down. We allow them to sail their frigates in our seas and our ships play with them.. There is no plan, no long term strategy - nothing. Just endless flirting and play-fighting with an older brother.. Just a decline and slow undoing of the Greek revolution.

[Filikieteria1821]

Turkey has threatened to open the city of Varosha for resettlement for all Turks (majority will not even be Turk Cypriots).

While Greece allows the drill ship Yavuz to openly sail through the Aegean to reach its destination. Obviously, no hasty decisions ought to be made, but if I was the greek PM, I would have the entire Greek flight out in the aegean, and I would have jets buzzing those fucken ships.

So tired of this passive attempt to control Turkey. Turkey knows nothing but strength. No amount of economic sanctions will somehow dissuade them from stopping their natural gas drills in Cyprus' EEZ or near Kastelorizo.

[Reaper]

Deep down Tsipras wants Hellas to be a multi ethnic, multi religious Ottoman outpost. He will do nothing.