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  • Apologist and Pro-Turkish US articles

    Can collate them here.

    How the Treaty of Sèvres still haunts Turkey and hangs over geopolitics in the Eastern Mediterranean.

  • #2
    Wow.

    Many Greeks have grown frustrated as tens of thousands of asylum seekers languished on Greek islands. Now, evidence shows, a new conservative government has a new method of keeping them out.

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    • #3
      The camps are full and are suffering outbreaks of coronavirus. The people of Greece are struggling economically. We're on the precipice of a war with Turkey.

      Why can't these "asylum seekers" stay in Turkey and have their claims processed there? Tell me that! They have to risk their lives to come to Greece in order to secure their safety? Everyone knows Turkey is dumping people onto us to burden us and we're suppose to play into their hands?

      No where is it mentioned they are military aged men who are deserters. We're told about two babies instead and of a woman who claims to have been through this ordeal. Those are just the shields these people use to get through so they can file their bullshit claims. Whose to say the babies weren't kidnapped?

      If that wasn't ridiculous enough, Greece is paying migrants 2,000 euros to go back to their home countries. Again, nowhere is that mentioned in this garbage article. They have hardly any proof and cite the Turks instead.

      Some paper of record. This is the same paper that tried and failed to sell the lie that attacks on the US embassy in Benghazi was the result of riots that got out of control over a completely preposterous and shadowy movie, a total fucking joke of a claim, not the result of planned terrorist attacks to commemorate 9/11 because in acknowledging that they would in effect acknowledge the US was aiding and abetting terrorists groups in the fight against Ghaddafi and then Assad. The same "moderate rebels" who sodomized Ghaddafi with a knife returned that favor to Ambassador Stevens. They make up the government the UN recognizes in Tripoli, the one Turkey tries to protect.

      I wouldn't even wipe my ass with the Times. Same goes with Bezos' glorified blog. Bad left-wing jokes is what they are.

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      • #4
        https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/m...tern%20Med.pdf

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        • #5
          Menendez is a big ally. We're very lucky to have someone like him in the US Senate.

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          • #6
            he is a big ally...though, i believe he is vulnerable at every election. his name keeps coming up in ridiculous scandals/corruption.

            he absolutely destroyed the communist cyprus president when christofias made anti-american comments in cuba. he is on the armenian caucus and his 2nd wife is armenian, i believe.

            seems well-read on greece-turkey issues and is likely a recipient of voter and financial support from greek-americans and greece lobbyists.

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            • #7
              You're right. For those who want a fuller picture of Menendez:

              The recent and extremely significant development in the US Senate concerning Greece and Cyprus’ future role in Washington’s plans for the Eastern Mediterranean stems from the initiatives of the Hellenic diaspora, and also from the strengthening of Greek-Israeli relations over the past decade.
              Menendez is one of Greece and Cyprus’ most loyal, sincere and effective allies in the US Congress. From an institutional point of view, he is also the most powerful. He has served as chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, where he is now the Democratic ranking member. If his party takes back the majority in the Senate, he will most likely become chairman again.

              His bond with Greece and Cyprus is personal and was shaped over many years through his friendship with Greek Cypriot Tasos Zambas from New Jersey, who helped the American politician understand the sensitivities of Cyprus, as well as those of Greece.
              The recent and extremely significant development in the US Senate concerning Greece and Cyprus’ future role in Washington’s plans for the Eastern Mediterranean stems from the initiatives of the Hellenic diaspora.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by aek66 View Post
                he is a big ally...though, i believe he is vulnerable at every election. his name keeps coming up in ridiculous scandals/corruption.

                he absolutely destroyed the communist cyprus president when christofias made anti-american comments in cuba. he is on the armenian caucus and his 2nd wife is armenian, i believe.

                seems well-read on greece-turkey issues and is likely a recipient of voter and financial support from greek-americans and greece lobbyists.
                He'll be fine, just keep him away from underage senate pages
                Last edited by LoneHorseman; 08-16-2020, 06:37 PM.

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                • #9
                  You're thinking Domicans. I don't believe he slept with any, but he was at party one of his idiot donors held where there were underage prostitutes.

                  Aek66 is right though, he keeps getting caught up with idiots because they provide him campaign funds and other freebies. He was lucky to stay in office in the last election.

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                  • #10
                    i had read that some 25-30 academics/politicians in the uk signed a petition backing greece in this EEZ crisis with turkey.

                    do they use the u.k.s EEZ from the falklands as evidence? what does argentina have to say about that?

                    there is plenty of fodder to call out the hypocrites.

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                    • #11
                      Bloomberg's pieces tend to be written by a Turk who clearly sides with them, but they do add some balance to the pieces with the help of a Greek author at least.

                      The Guardian is hitting Greece with the migrant stuff. The paper of record, the New York Times, strikes again even though the EU has not carried out any investigation to prove the NYT's claims, which cites Turkish coast guards among others, and even though Mitsotakis has denied these claims. Yet more, no explanation is given as to why Turkey can't process asylum claims, despite the deal that remains in place with the EU for that exact reason, nor why these people must go to Europe and not, say, Qatar or Saudi Arabia. Many are not Libyan nor Syrian either, but simply looking for a better life in Europe from countries that aren't war torn. And most troubling of all, the majority are military aged men, a fact the media consistently downplays and ignores.

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                      • #12
                        trash from the n.y. times. this is from their editorial board.

                        https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/30/o...e-oil-gas.html

                        'though international law is largely on the side of greece, there is room for negotiation, and turkey's explorations in disputed waters have not yet crossed a legal red line'.

                        what??

                        so, why have international law?? why have any law at all?? you're protected by law?? who cares, negotiate. hey, it's the n.y. times, and protests in the usa are peaceful...what laws are being broken??? the article is also a way to bash trump as weakening the usa's international pull. yeah, yeah, we get it. turkey isn't really belligerent and ignoring intl. law, it's really trump's fault.

                        some of the world's media have also picked up turkey's much-mocked video of it's f-16s 'owning' 6 greek f-16s en route to cyprus. media from muslim nations have really picked up on this to give their masses some joy in this dispute. reading comments in forums and youtube sees loud and proud support for pirate turkey from their muslim brothers in pakistan to malaysia. such tribalistic peoples. the people of the slippers and pajamas.

                        a greek frigate didn't ram a turkish frigate. it 'collided' with it. no skill. not an action one rung down from firing it's guns in anger, just a collision. reading an article easily exposes the author's point of view on this crisis. the pro-turkish peddlers of shit are very obvious.

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                        • #13
                          The New York Times published this op-ed written by Erdogan himself:

                          https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/10/o...sanctions.html

                          He wrote:

                          Unless the United States starts respecting Turkey’s sovereignty and proves that it understands the dangers that our nation faces, our partnership could be in jeopardy.
                          Washington must give up the misguided notion that our relationship can be asymmetrical and come to terms with the fact that Turkey has alternatives. Failure to reverse this trend of unilateralism and disrespect will require us to start looking for new friends and allies.
                          There of course lies the truth in why the New York Times as well as others continue to treat Turkey's claims as having some form of validity. That's despite the fact the New York Times knows the law is on our side, something their editorial board well acknowledged:

                          Greece claims that its many islands in that region give it sole drilling rights in the waters around them, a stance broadly supported by international law.
                          We know that at The Hague, Greece would essentially win the case. The Turks know this too. They are ratcheting up tensions to create a fog of war incident to allow them to take what is not rightfully theirs. Short of that, they need other countries, like the US and Germany, to pressure Greece to accept a deal more favorable to the Turks in order to call off their dogs of war. This is the only way the Turks can get what they want.

                          This is a problem of Turkey's creation and it's own unwillingness to abide by broadly established rules.

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                          • #14
                            https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-gre...ed-11599145362

                            Seems spot on...

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                            • #15
                              Bloomberg is by far the worst. This what their editorial board wrote:

                              The Trump administration, having failed to resolve the crisis, might have made it worse by choosing this moment to ease a longstanding arms embargo on Cyprus.
                              Bringing Turkey into the East Mediterranean Gas Forum would be a good place to start. This was created by the littoral states to establish a regional gas market and an export hub to Europe. Turkey was left out because the forum includes Cyprus, which Ankara doesn’t recognize. Membership would allow Turkey a share of the resources and access to mechanisms for resolving disputes over where it can drill.

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