The Greek Orthodox Church at home and in the diaspora

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  • The Greek Orthodox Church at home and in the diaspora

    I'm not sure if you guys are religious, but I've become bothered by the leadership of the Greek Orthodox Church in America, given that I live in the states.

    Saint Nicholas was destroyed on 9/11 and when news broke out that it would be rebuilt, there was a huge drive to get donations from the very wealthy Greek diaspora in New York and America at large. Fast forward and Saint Nicholas is not finished, and no work has been done on it in months (I work a block away from the church and pass it multiple times a day). Archbishop Dimitrios is 90+ years old, and has this massive scandal about what happened to the millions of dollars that were meant to rebuild St. Nicholas and yet he doesn't resign. To me the fact that there wasn't an explanation as to what happened means to me there are a lot of dirty hands in the church, and it's incredibly unfortunate.

    Secondly, I'm not sure why but why don't Greek churches in the states place a flag pole of the Greek/Cypriot/American flag?

    This past sunday it occurred to me as I was outside of church that only the Greek flag and the American flag where there.

    IMO, the separation of church and state is a fine idea, but Greece's gov and religious entities have to realize that church/culture are symbiotic and for the diaspora, being Greek is all encompassing. Not including the cypriot flag to me is forgetting our culture, our struggle.
    Last edited by Filikieteria1821; 08-28-2018, 01:22 PM.

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    Flags=politics, which the church is always supposed to be separate from, and I think it's a good idea. There are Orthodox Christians from many countries who attend Greek churches, so why alienate any of them? The church in Canada I grew up attending still doesn't raise any flags, but some do.

    There was a similar scandal in Toronto where there's been a lawsuit on several fronts; it's pretty damning:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...suit-1.4448893

    I've never been a fan of Archbishop Sotirios for a number of reasons dating back a few decades (the last really good priest we had there had to leave because of gossip that was probably all bullshit), and have witnessed plenty of sticky fingers and dubious characters when it came to fund raisers, dances, bake sales, etc. The diocese was full of shitheads who wiped their asses on the lord's prayer Monday-Saturday and washed their hands clean every fucking Sunday. I hated that, and I still do.

    One of the priests in my church got busted for shoplifting not just in my hometown but where they moved him to in Chicago, then to Athens, etc. In the end I think he burned to death in a car accident. God finally had enough of his malakia and said "na, re kleftis!" At least he wasn't fucking altarboys like in the Catholic church.

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      does anyone have to say anything? 9 out of 10 greeks would believe this is a cia/mossad planted story.
      LONDON (AP) — Even men and women of the cloth aren't safe from 21st-century cyberspies. The Associated Press has found that the same hackers charged with intervening

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        hahahahaha ..... i'm sure they targeted vulnerabilities from all the holy porn the papades watch

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      Originally posted by Filikieteria1821 View Post
      I'm not sure if you guys are religious, but I've become bothered by the leadership of the Greek Orthodox Church in America, given that I live in the states.

      Saint Nicholas was destroyed on 9/11 and when news broke out that it would be rebuilt, there was a huge drive to get donations from the very wealthy Greek diaspora in New York and America at large. Fast forward and Saint Nicholas is not finished, and no work has been done on it in months (I work a block away from the church and pass it multiple times a day). Archbishop Dimitrios is 90+ years old, and has this massive scandal about what happened to the millions of dollars that were meant to rebuild St. Nicholas and yet he doesn't resign. To me the fact that there wasn't an explanation as to what happened means to me there are a lot of dirty hands in the church, and it's incredibly unfortunate.

      Secondly, I'm not sure why but why don't Greek churches in the states place a flag pole of the Greek/Cypriot/American flag?

      This past sunday it occurred to me as I was outside of church that only the Greek flag and the American flag where there.

      IMO, the separation of church and state is a fine idea, but Greece's gov and religious entities have to realize that church/culture are symbiotic and for the diaspora, being Greek is all encompassing. Not including the cypriot flag to me is forgetting our culture, our struggle.
      in montreal they burned the first greek church ever built in canada, built a hotel on it and leased it to the mafia for 50 years.

      then they burned another church, rebuilt it 4x over budget and now the schools are about to go under..... because they have to pay the burden

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        Originally posted by aek66 View Post
        does anyone have to say anything? 9 out of 10 greeks would believe this is a cia/mossad planted story.
        hahahahaha ..... i'm sure they targeted vulnerabilities from all the holy porn the papades watch

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        • #6
          some serious stuff for the russians....they want control of the ukrainian orthodox church. control the church, control the ukrainians.

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