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  • The Syrian War

    https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...offensive.html

    The Donald Trump administration is scrambling to get concessions out of Russia on Syria before the Bashar al-Assad regime completes its reconquest of the country, greatly constraining any remaining US leverage.

    With Assad’s forces poised to take back the last remaining rebel bastion of Idlib, US officials are in a race to get Moscow to help curtail Iranian influence. Washington is worried that a final Assad victory will give Tehran and its proxies free rein to ferry weapons and supplies through to the Mediterranean Sea, threatening Israel and other US allies.

    Publicly, the administration has put the Assad regime on notice against using chemical weapons while relaying to Russia its concerns about a humanitarian catastrophe in Idlib. During a five-hour meeting in Geneva last week, US national security adviser John Bolton pressed his Russian counterpart Nikolay Patrushev on the issue, a National Security Council spokesman told Al-Monitor.

    Even as the administration rolled out an expanded Syria team last week to get UN-led peace talks back on track, however, US officials appear increasingly resigned to a bloody battle for the city. A source close to the administration told Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity that the Trump team has already accepted that Assad’s forces are going after Idlib, and that the United States has little capacity — or desire — to stop them.

    “I would not see it as a yellow light. It’s a red light. But it’s not a red line,” said Alexander Bick, who was a National Security Council director for Syria under President Barack Obama. “The US opposed the retaking of Aleppo, but we did not send in the Air Force to stop it. The question is whether the US would use force or take steps to prevent a regime assault on Idlib. I think that is unlikely.”

    Longtime Syria hawks in Congress are equally skeptical. Asked last week if the United States is basically resigned to the Assad regime taking back Idlib, just as it did Aleppo two years ago, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., told Al-Monitor, “It appears so, but it’s a terrible thing.”

    In recent days, regional news outlets have reported that Syrian regime forces and their allies have been massing near Idlib for a potential assault, including in nearby Hama and Latakia provinces. Iran’s Fars News Agency has also reported that Russia has sent three large ships to the Mediterranean port of Tartus in anticipation of the offensive.

    The United States, France and Britain in turn released a joint statement last week on the five-year anniversary of the deadly gas attack on eastern Ghouta, warning Assad that they were “resolved to act” in case of future chemical weapons use. The statement went on to say the three nations were “gravely concerned over reports of a military offensive by the Syrian regime against civilians and civilian infrastructure in Idlib, and the resulting humanitarian consequences,” but without expressing a similar threat.

    Experts aren’t convinced that the Trump administration’s requests of Russia are realistic when it comes to ramping down Iran’s presence. The source close to the administration told Al-Monitor that the United States is asking Russia to get rid of Iranian capabilities and missile systems, and to get Iranian fighters out of the country.

    Bolton had told a small gaggle of reporters in Geneva that he and Patrushev had made “considerable progress” on Syria, despite scuttling a joint press statement over disagreements regarding Russia’s alleged interference in the 2016 US presidential election. Bolton himself, however, acknowledged that the United States faced an uphill climb to get Iran’s entrenched troops out of Syria. On Monday, Iran struck a deal with Syria to deepen military cooperation between the two nations, adding to thousands of troops already serving in the war-torn country.

    “That would be an objective that I think President [Vladimir] Putin would share,” Bolton said. “It’s far from easy to achieve, and so we talked about a variety of ways it might be accomplished through a series of steps.”

    Meanwhile, the State Department’s Syria team will have a critical mandate that’s pertinent to Idlib, experts say: getting Turkey to fortify its small presence of outposts near the rebel-held town to help defeat Islamist militant groups. Idlib is a haven for the al-Qaeda-linked Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, and US officials are worried that an offensive could cause militant groups to scatter across the country while provoking another destabilizing refugee crisis.

    “Turkey is the sheriff that’s responsible for eliminating al-Qaeda,” Nick Heras, a Middle East fellow at the Center for a New American Security, told Al-Monitor. “The movement within the Trump administration [is] away from focusing on the needs of Jordan and Israel to the needs of Turkey.”

    US and Turkish troops have stood up joint patrols in the contested city of Manbij in northern Syria even after the Trump administration sanctioned top Turkish officials and slapped tariffs on the country for the detention of US pastor Andrew Brunson. But the relationship faces more headwinds as Brunson faces another trial hearing Oct. 12.

    Bick, now a research scholar at Johns Hopkins University’s School for International Studies, sees the rift between the United States and Turkey impacting their cooperation on the ground in Syria beyond humanitarian assistance to refugees.

    “Under other circumstances we might have coordinated to provide additional assistance to Turkey,” he said. “With current tensions in the bilateral relationship that strikes me as highly unlikely.”



    Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/orig...#ixzz5PUvq4a6p

    Syrian war is about to get even more interesting


  • #2
    Idiot Turks sending more of their troops into Idlib today.

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    • #3
      Russians met with the Turks a few days ago and will also meet this friday in regards to Idlib.

      Russia backs Assad, Turks back the sunni radical groups who have a stronghold in Idlib. Turkey seems concerned at a military offensive by Assad because of the 3.5 million civilians there, but disregards the fact that they are backing some really nasty pieces of shit.

      Turks doing what they do best.

      Who gets the shit end of the stick in a lot of this? Syrian people, and the Kurds who undoubtedly deserve their own independent country. It's inconvenient but they are the only group who have made it their mission to kick ISIS' ass, but have been rewarded by having Afrin taken over and turkified just as northern cyprus
      Last edited by Filikieteria1821; 08-29-2018, 01:10 PM.

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      • #4
        Apparently the Turks are attacking the Kurdish held areas near Kobani.

        Per twitter user "Turkish cross-border heavy machine (DshK) gunfire at Carikhli, near Kobani, just after announcement of joint patrols" "Helicopters hovering on Carikhli, west of Kobani"

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        • #5
          More Neo Ottoman land. Turkish now taught in all schools under their control in Syria. The Ottomans are not done yet leaving their mark on the world.

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          • #6
            They won't be done until the western powers reign them in, which won't be happening anytime soon. With Pastor Brunson being released and the Khashoggi murder, Turkey now seems to have rebounded from their demise.

            Erdogan keeps pulling different cards to play, and it's working.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Filikieteria1821 View Post
              They won't be done until the western powers reign them in, which won't be happening anytime soon. With Pastor Brunson being released and the Khashoggi murder, Turkey now seems to have rebounded from their demise.

              Erdogan keeps pulling different cards to play, and it's working.
              It helps that the EU is still in love with Turkey whatever they say. In fact - Greece is too - media wise. The most Anti Turkish nation is actually Austria. Turkey is like Pakistan. They can pretty much do as they please and answer to no one. The West has decided they are untouchable and Greece has not challenged that stance or aided Turkey's demise in any way. Greece has submitted to all Turkey's threats and left the door open for further Aegean grey areas to be created. Greece has all the political sophistication and intelligence as a nation like Georgia, Ukraine or Armenia. Even Albania has showed more intelligence than Greek politicians have. It is almost as if Greek politicians are looking for another master - whether it is the EU, Turkey - NATO it seems Greece wants an owner - other than Greeks.

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              • #8
                100% accurate. Greek politicians have no backbone and are operating from a predisposed notion of weakness. Their actions signify to me that they are unwilling to fight for Greece's territorial and economic rights and are unwilling to confront Turkey. Instead, they fake tough guy by sending a greek naval ship to monitor the Fatih drill ship, while doing nothing else.

                The EU should have been at the forefront of holding the Turks responsible but Germany's love affair with the Ottomans stems back a long time. A lot of this stems from the fact that Turkey holds a ton of external debt and a lot of the debt is in European banking institutions. If something were to happen to Turkey, it could pose a serious threat to the economic stability of the EU.

                The contagion would be felt and with the migrant crisis, Merkel and Macron are trying to keep the peace, when we all know that a dictatorship will eventually spiral out of control.

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                • #9
                  The incohesiveness of American policy in Syria finally unraveled as it's been announced that the US is planning on rapidly withdrawing all military/diplomatic personnel from North eastern Syria. Not only does this allow Iran/Russia to gain further influence, it will also result in Turkey annexing further land in Northern Syria and will likely lead to the genocide of Kurdish peoples.

                  This is a huge gaffe in foreign American policy IMO.

                  Paired with Trump caving to Erdogan and offering the patriot missile system for 3.5 billion, even though Turkey has no intention of stopping its acquisition of the s400 means to me that Trump has continued the long line of American presidents bending over to Turkey.

                  I'm unsure what good could come out of America leaving Syria

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                  • #10
                    I agree it gives the Turks a green light, but I'm guessing the trade off will be Iran having less influence in Syria. It's why I stopped supporting him. He's an agent of Israel, not Russia, not the US.

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                    • #11
                      In all really, I feel terrible for the Kurds because whatever independent cannons they had accumulated in Northern Syria will be wiped out by the Turks, then subsequently islamified/turkified and the international community won't do anything.

                      Don, to your point about being an agent of Israel, how does Iran not gain more of a foothold in Syria through this action?

                      To me it seems that this is directly threatening Israel as Iran now has a foothold in Syria.

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                      • #12
                        Big winners - as usual for the last 100 years.. are Turkey. They will be able to enlarge their neo ottoman empire. The Western left will say nothing. The Western right will say nothing. Communist Greek media wont care.

                        Big win for Turkey, played the Russians and Americans well. Turkey is a deeply backward nation - uneducated, violent and broken. They did well to convince the Western media that their presence is Syria was justified. Greece helped by being silent. Israel helped too by backing Jihadists in the south stretching Assad's forces thin. There is no one nation on earth that has the balls to stand up to Turkey. Attaturk is still the darling of leftist western universities despite him being in charge as Turkey ethnically cleansed itself of Christians, Alevis and others..

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                        • #13
                          Very right. I do wonder though how will the Russians respond?

                          IMO, this is a huge foreign policy blunder that will likely backfire immensely on Trump, but if the Turks back away from buying the s-400, Russia does have the power to kick Turkey out of Syria.

                          How Erdogan balances America and Russia is going to be interesting. I'm hoping the American congress will slap sanctions on Turkey if they do purchase the s-400.

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                          • #14
                            For this to happen it means Netanyahu and Putin hammered something out. It means Assad won't be so cozy with Iran and that Russia will apply the necessary pressure to enforce that. Turkey had the goods on MBS and holds strategic value to both the US and Russia, thus they get what they want. Trump didn't decide to do this out of the blue. Something made a deal possible to limit Iranian influence and somehow the Russians will be able to get Iran on-board. That's the key, in my mind anyways.

                            It may be possible that Trump felt he had to act now because he won't have this opportunity later. He faces an enormous risk because of the elements that seek to sabotage, destabilize, and force him out of office (threatening to jail and even kill him). Perhaps it couldn't wait much longer and he lost patience.

                            Perhaps he felt the people around him were trying to lead him in a direction that he no longer recognized as his own and that he grew to distrust almost everyone who advises him.

                            Maybe he wanted to take money in the defense budget in put into the wall, building it as a matter of national security.

                            Whatever the case, Trump will try to cement his legacy as the president who ended the wars in Syria and Afghanistan. Nixon did the same with Vietnam, but his presidency fell apart because of a bad economy, widespread public disorder, rising crime, and impeachment efforts, among other problems. Trump faces many of the same challenges Nixon had faced.

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                            • #15
                              IMO, Trump has so far failed on many of his campaign promises and I do believe that getting out of Syria and perhaps using funds that would have went towards presence in Syria, may be used to build the wall, as Trump has said he will instruct the military to build the wall if he can't get support in Congress.

                              Regardless though, this move is shortsighted. I'm all for leaving the middle east, but we need to do it the right way. If we ever find ourselves relying on the locals to fight radical islamic terrorism, they'll remember how America conveniently used the kurds as their fighters against ISIS, and then proceeded to leave them to be mercilessly slaughtered by their adversaries.

                              Trump should have stayed, should have continued to partner with the Kurds, arm them to the teeth and train them and then once ISIS was officially eliminated, then perhaps leave.

                              What we will witness is not only ISIS rejuvenation as the Kurds turn their attention towards the Turks, but Turkey will embark on it's patented ethnic cleansing that only the history books will care about.

                              Trump wants to get the anti-war/border control crowd a win, but at what expense. He is not only allowing Russia, Iran and Turkey to run wild in the middle east, but he's going to show the world that America will use you, and then toss you to the side once you've lost your strategic importance.

                              This is realpolitik, but it's immoral and will fall squarely at the feet of America.

                              France is maintaining it's presence in Syria, and I hoping they fill the gap America has left.
                              Last edited by Filikieteria1821; 12-20-2018, 03:01 PM.

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