Obama spying scandal and the failed attempted coup against Trump

[Don Giovanni]

Edit:

My original post is still available below, but I felt this information is significant enough to be placed at the top of this thread. Bill Binney, a well respected NSA whistle-blower, claims he can prove with forensic evidence that the emails released first through DC Leaks and then Wikileaks were in fact leaked, not hacked, from the DNC servers! He argues that Russian hackers were not responsible for the release of this information. He claims to have forensic evidence to back this up and has researched the matter long enough now to feel this is in fact the case.

Bill is trying to raise the issue and get it into court. He needs help and anyone who legitimately cares about exposing corruption in government should support his cause.

The whole conference/dialogue can be viewed here:

The most eyebrow raising point he made can be seen in this segment:

Original post:

Mueller's report shows that there is no evidence Trump colluded with the Kremlin to subvert or influence the outcome of the 2016 US presidential election. There have been suggestions Trump tried to obstruct justice, but those charges won't prevail since the president permitted the special counsel's investigation to run its course and the special counsel turned up nothing, no evidence of a crime in and of itself to obstruct, despite a dragnet two-year investigation.

With that, the tables have now turned, and its the Obama administration that is now having to face an investigation into their surveillance of the Trump campaign and what then followed with an attempted coup. This investigation is only at the starting stages and it will be conducted by the DOJ.

President Trump on Fox News April 25th:

I really say 'Now we have to get down'--because this was a coup. This was an attempted overthrow of the United States government. [....] So let's see what happens with McCabe and Comey and Brennan and Clapper. They were in on the act. Let's see how high it goes up.

Attorney General Barr in testifying to a House subcommittee on April 9th:

I am reviewing the conduct of the investigation and trying to get my arms around all the aspects of the counterintelligence investigation that was conducted during the summer of 2016.

AG Barr in the same hearing also said:

I think spying did occur.

A report by the Inspector General Michael Horowitz is on its way. That report, according to AG Barr, is to be released this month or the next. Joe DiGenova, a former US attorney, was a guest on Fox News last week when he placed the release of this report for next week. According to him, this report will be a "bombshell" and will launch the investigation on a "high note." He explained that the report will focus on "James Comey alone" and that it "will make criminal referrals."

[Reaper]

You think anything will come from the investigation into Obama?

[Filikieteria1821]

I do think there was a concerted effort by Obama to spy on Trump, but I don't think anything will be done about it.

The American political landscape holds an incredibly deep bias against Trump and anything considered conservative or right leaning.

Imagine what will happen if Trump wins a second term, pretty sure the lefties would go into a complete meltdown

[Don Giovanni]

Barr has couched his words very carefully. He stated there was spying, but he also said "I think there was probably a failure among a group of leaders there at the upper echelon."

When Comey was asked to comment on Barr's claim that there was spying, he deferred by saying "When I hear that kind of language used, it’s concerning because the FBI and the Department of Justice conduct court-ordered electronic surveillance. I have never thought of that as spying."

It will be interesting to see what will be done. My guess is they work out some sort of backroom deal and back off Trump, in which case he backs off them.

[Don Giovanni]

Here's an article written for The Hill by Kevin Brock, a former FBI special agent and assistant director of intelligence to the FBI. He gets into what trouble lies ahead for Comey.

Link: James Comey is in trouble and he knows it

Comey will claim that everything he did in the FBI was by the book. But after the investigations by Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz and U.S. Attorney John Huber, along with Barr’s promised examination, are completed, Comey’s mishandling of the FBI and legal processes likely will be fully exposed.

So there are three matters they will look at in their investigation:

1. Whether there was justification to surveil Trump's campaign in the first place.
2. Whether that surveillance followed proper guidelines.
3. Whether Comey's improprieties were influenced in any way by the outgoing administration. Does it go higher up than Comey?

Trump holds one ace in the hole: the FISA warrants. That in conjunction with the IG's report will blow this whole thing wide open.

[Don Giovanni]

The IG filed a draft report, and although the contents of it have yet to be publicly revealed, it's biggest findings have been leaked to NY Post reporter Paul Sperry. He states that the report found "reasonable grounds" to believe federal violations occurred in the FBI/DOJ's handling of Hillary's email server investigation. This follows the criminal referral against McCabe that IG Horowitz made in April. The report also found that Comey and Yates targeted Flynn for over a year, well before his involvement in Trump's transition team.

Per WaPo last Thursday, AG Barr is now driving this investigation into high gear:

President Trump has granted Attorney General William P. Barr “full and complete authority” to declassify government secrets, issuing a memorandum late Thursday that orders U.S. intelligence agencies to cooperate promptly with Barr’s audit of the investigation into Russia’s election interference in 2016.

The president’s move gives Barr broad powers to unveil carefully guarded intelligence secrets about the Russia investigation, which the attorney general requested to allow him to quickly carry out his review, according to the memo.

“Today’s action will ensure that all Americans learn the truth about the events that occurred, and the actions that were taken, during the last Presidential election and will restore confidence in our public institutions,” the White House said in an accompanying statement, which Trump then tweeted.

[Soprano76]

Some nice deflection in this thread.

Trump is guilty AF of obstruction, and Mueller cited specific instances. Mueller only didnt provide official recommendations for charges b.c he believes that is under the jurisdiction of the Congress. It's in the Mueller report. Definitely enough to convince plenty of people in the intelligence community (https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile..../idUSKCN1SC264)

There will not be indictments of Obama or Hillary. Basee on what we know at this point, it's all just Fox News blithering.

We have pretty legit proof that the Trump campaign had contact with Russia or Russian agents. I mean, dont you guys remember the Trump tower meeting about "adoption?"

Anyway, Trump embarrasses himself and the office he represents on a daily basis with the stupid shit he says. Idk why you guys are so eager to stick up for him.

[Don Giovanni]

Trump is far from perfect, but at least he stood up to Washington and won! He didn't win because Russia helped him. He won because Washington stopped caring about the average Democrat voter who used to have a steady job with benefits 30 years ago, but then those jobs went to slave-like laborers in China thanks to agreements like the TPP, which Trump killed in his first week in office. That's why a bunch of Obama states like Pennsylvania voted for him instead of Hillary, whose husband ushered in NAFTA. That's what swung the vote in his favor. Not Russians.

Look at the map and figure it out yourself instead of listening to Maddow and co who said Hillary would win by a landslide and that Mueller would indict Trump, which turned out to be all lies. Maybe you should remember that instead of some meeting that looks an awful lot like FBI entrapment.

And you don't think the FBI entrapped Trump or that they abused their powers? You really think Trump obstructed justice? That he colluded with Russia?

The truth is the FBI abused it's powers. They started a fraudulent investigation. And not for the first time either. Just look at how the FBI tried to destroy Martin Luther King:

The MLK tapes: Secret FBI recordings accuse Martin Luther King Jr of watching and laughing as a pastor raped a woman, having 40 extramarital affairs - and they are under lock in a U.S. archive, claims author

The civil rights hero was also heard allegedly joking he was the founder of the 'International Association for the Advancement of Pussy-Eaters' on an agency recording that was obtained by bugging his room, according to the sensational claims made by biographer David Garrow - a Pulitzer prize-winning author and biographer of MLK.

That's not a Trump quote from an off the record recording with Billy Bush, that's MLK! It looks like MLK and Trump share a lot in common in how they talk about women.

FBI director J Edgar Hoover ordered the surveillance of King in an effort to undermine his power amid fears he could have links to the Communist Party.

MLK was a Communist Russian agent? No, the FBI abused it's powers to blackmail him because they didn't like his politics:

Senior FBI officials later sent King a copy of the incriminating tape and called him an 'evil abnormal beast' and his sexual exploits would be 'on record for all time'.

The letter also suggested he should commit suicide before his wrongs were revealed to the world.

That's the FBI. This is an organization known to abuse it's powers, to spy and blackmail people like MLK and now Trump. How about you consider that possibility and maybe look at things a little differently from the way you've been told by the same people who said the indictments were coming for Trump and that it was over for Trump, which turned out to be all lies.

The indictments have come already for McCabe and soon Comey. You know why? Because they abused their office at the FBI. That's in the IG report. Comey is the same FBI official mentored by Mueller who is trying to protect himself from becoming a target of investigation himself. It's called covering your ass. That's why Mueller is quiet and waiting to play his cards right. That's Washington, a bastion of corruption where everyone runs like a rat, Mueller, Clinton, and Obama included.

Also I never said indictments were coming for Obama. I think in the end he will be protected, but he was the one who signed off on the surveillance into Trump's campaign. The truth is he couldn't stand the thought of Trump replacing him and destroying his legacy. He signed off because Hillary pressured him to. And in the end this was his petty way of preventing Trump from replacing his legacy. He tried to wear Trump down and used all his resources in the media and to block Trump at every turn in the courts and in Congress, at a level worse than anything Republicans did to Obama. But Obama signed off on the surveillance and that's where he will get in a bit of trouble. He will be forever linked with one of the worst political scandals in American history, no matter how often he repeated he was a scandal-free president for the past three years.

Clinton might find herself in hotter water and I don't think things will go so well for her. She used the FBI investigation to blackmail Trump and then as a coup when she lost in order to replace Trump and Pence and put herself into office. She pressured Obama into doing it. I think she'll be the one who gets the most flack in the end.

That's why they claim Trump is a Russian agent. It's a big lie. If you don't want to come to terms with that, then I don't care. Believe whatever you want.

Trump will use this investigation as a card to get what he wants politically and in the end he will get what he wants. Obama can't obstruct Trump's presidency anymore after this. Trump will get his wall, he will get the infrastructure bill, and he will bring jobs back to America after China realizes they will have no choice but to deal with Trump and not Buttigieg or Biden, who don't stand a chance in 2020. Trump is going to win again, so get used to another 5 years of Trump. If Trump is smart, he will end just about every war America is involved in and achieve relative peace with Russia, China, and Iran while keeping America on top. He will also rein in the FBI, CIA, and NSA from abusing anymore of their powers of surveillance, if he's smart rather than playing ball with them.

[Don Giovanni]

So Mueller, now retired and unwilling to further address the matter to Congress, held a press conference in which he made statements designed to be interpreted in such a way to encourage Democrats to impeach President Trump. Hours later, however, Barr and Mueller had their teams make a joint statement which would have us believe Mueller's presser does not conflict with Barr's testimony under oath. In other words, Barr didn't perjure himself. This is very odd because it sounds like they contradict each other and that Barr had committed perjury if we are to believe Mueller.

In their joint statement, the DOJ spokeswoman and the Special Counsel's spokesman state:

The Attorney General has previously stated [under oath] that the Special Counsel repeatedly affirmed that he was not saying that, for the OLC opinion, he would have found the President obstructed justice. Special Counsel's report and his statement today made clear that the office concluded it would not reach a determination--one way or the other--about whether the President committed a crime. There is no conflicts between these statements.

So Mueller is saying that even if the OLC opinion didn't apply, that if he could have recommended indictments against Trump, then he still would not necessarily have found that President Trump had obstructed justice. In other words, Barr wasn't lying. Mueller is not of the opinion that Trump did or did not commit a crime, nor does he have any confidence to say Trump didn't, but also incidentally there is a DOJ guideline that he believes would prevent him from drawing any conclusion of his guilt anyways. Weasel words.

So they want to keep Trump's neck tightly roped in a noose, but Mueller is punting it to Congress and/or the voters, just like Comey did to Hillary Clinton. And so the FBI once again comes across as a self-serving organ of government that wants to wield power over people who could otherwise wield it over them and at the same time cover their own rear ends from exposure of their misdeeds.

Pelosi meanwhile is balking at impeachment proceedings. She wants to hit the President with an avalanche of affidavits, subpoenas, and congressional hearings, to slow down or impede his agenda, but impeachment is not where she wants to move the party, at least not yet. I hope the Democrats do push for impeachment. I really do. It might just be the spark needed, the shot heard round the world, to clean up the Aegean stables so to speak.

[Don Giovanni]

https://www.realclearinvestigations....mp_119584.html

According to Paul Sperry, a conservative leaning journalist whose columns occasionally appear in the NY Post, says the IG's report will be released in September and will include evidence suggesting Comey had mislead the president by repeatedly claiming he was not the target of investigation while "secretly trying to build a conspiracy case against the president" and "at times acting as an investigative agent." Comey also had an FBI agent embedded in the White House who spied on the president:

The agent, Anthony Ferrante, who specialized in cyber crime, left the White House around the same time Comey was fired and soon joined a security consulting firm, where he contracted with BuzzFeed to lead the news site's efforts to verify the Steele dossier, in connection with a defamation lawsuit

Well Comey is going to be in a fresh batch of hot water.

[Reaper]

When did the FBI begin to lean left?

In the UK, one can trace the neutrality of the UK civil service ending in the Blair years.

[Don Giovanni]

With the Clintons, which would be right around the time of the Blair years.

The FBI is a mixed bag. They do a lot of good work and have many good, hard working agents who help put away a lot of bad people, but the agency from its inception has acted like a little kingdom in and of itself, much like the CIA does. Government agencies have their own agendas and seek to protect themselves from embarrassment and scandal. Nobody wants to be disgraced and everyone wants to keep their place in the sun.

[Reaper]

Looks like there finally seems to be some scrutiny - slowly slowly of course, coming Ilhan Omar's way concerning students loans, tax documents and marriages. She is extremely well insulated by the US left media but there is only so long they can support her calculated silence on the previous issues she will surely be investigated on.

[Don Giovanni]

Which is why I think Trump walked back his claim that she should "go back" to Somalia because he doesn't want to come across as using the law to go after her. The really interesting part will be to see if she indeed committed immigration fraud, something Trump himself had hinted at. There is a rumor she married her brother to game the system, but there's no proof of this.

[Reaper]

The marriage to her brother is a separate issue. Evidence for this is sketchy. The serious frauds I am interested in and that she may have taken part in carry well over 5 years in prison and involve lying about her status:

https://alphanewsmn.com/david-steinb...r-6uhrH073xLOE

The marriage to the brother line is not the issue. There are a combination of far more serious frauds listed above that need investigating. Now to even dare to investigate Omar will be exceptionally difficult in the current climate due to what she represents politically and culturally - but it seems her tactic of silence on the matter and her lawyer calling those who questioned her marital past 'racists' won't be able to last as a method of defence for much longer. Of course I assume she is innocent but it seems so convoluted that one has to question why there has not been a full investigation.