Libya

[Filikieteria1821]

https://www.news.gr/ellada/article/2...ivernisis.html

Unrelated to Libya, but look the Turks got salty that we bit back a bit and they decided to hack some Greek government pages. Greek computer wizards will undoubtedly return the favor shortly

[Reaper]

This is what the EU is, and highlights the reason why the UK left. Germany trying to be top dog and selling out EU interests because Germany is beholden to Turkey and has been for over a century.

I'd like to add there is a very clear division between Germany and France and it's become very clear that Merkel's reigns on Germany, and the EU as a whole, are swiftly slipping.

France obtaining that top dog spot serves Greece's interests and there is a story out now that states Greece will be providing the frigate Spetsai to aid in the protection of the aircraft carrier Charles De Gaulle which will be deployed south of Crete https://hellasjournal.com/2020/01/i-...oliki-mesogio/

France cannot hold power. The EU was set up for them to dominate and they still managed to let the Germans take over. Their power has dwindled and dwindled because like Greece - they have virtually no strategy - no philosophy - no aims - other than protecting their language abroad. However unlike Greece, they do guard what little they have left. They would never tolerate Turks flying armed jets over any part of their territory the way Greece does.

The Germans and the Turks want power and influence so countries like Greece, France etc simply bow to pressure as they have no clue what they want.

[Reaper]

Germans caught openly backing Turkey over Greece in refusing to invite Greece. German Deputy Government Spokesman Ulrike Demmer said yesterday in Berlin that the reasons why Greece has not been invited “cannot be made public”.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/glo...ya-conference/

[Don Giovanni]

The blame falls on Tsipras and now Mitsotakis. Everything these two have permeated to date is that Greece isn't a real country, but a mere vassal state and this is the ultimate example of that. Until we man up and show some backbone, they will do whatever they want and we'll be left waiting to put up with whatever they decide.

If Mitsotakis isn't up for this challenge, he needs to step down. All he ever talks about is diplomacy and here were are completely left out of the diplomatic process. The visit with Trump was a disaster. Trump point blank asked him, "what if you lose?" They all question our resolve. Mitsotakis has to make the hard decisions, there's no choice. Same goes for Tsipras and the rest. All that communist, anti-fascist nonsense has led us here. Now is the time for unity and now is the time for the whole of Greece to prepare very seriously for the prospect of war. That goes for Greeks abroad to.

[Reaper]

What is curious about Mitsotakis is he naturally ignored real politik the way Tsipras, Dora, Samaras etc all do on reflex.

If Haftar was game, the Greeks should have made him state he will not attend the Berlin Conference without Greece - a nation that borders his nation unlike Congo.

Another option for Greece would be to threaten a cessation of payments of their euro debt to German banks unless Greece was invited.

Both options would cause huge headlines and the whole of Europe would ask - why wasn't Greece asked? Why is Merkel again favouring a non-EU nation over an EU nation?

Instead Greece did (as usual).. the exact thing that would weaken the Greek state the most - complain a bit followed by nothing. This reassured turkey that Greece is a non-player and reassured Germany that their backing of Turkey again over Greece was not brought into scrutiny. So interestingly - Mitsotakis managed to make both Turkey and Germany stronger and Greece simultaneously weaker at the same time. He is identical to his sister Dora. The new president he chose was championed by Syriza.

[Reaper]

Sure enough, Turkey continuing to fill the massive gap in Greek policy. Now Crete and the islands don't have a continental shelf according to Erdogan:

http://www.ekathimerini.com/248626/a...tinental-shelf

[Reaper]

Let it be true:

https://eretikos.gr/livyi-i-ellada-s...-strato/283329

[Don Giovanni]

It's a start and the right move. Good.

[Don Giovanni]

This is what the "peace process" is up against:

https://www.nordicmonitor.com/2020/01/al-qaeda-linked-libyan-ben-ali-group-had-close-ties-to-erdogan-intelligence-memo-reveals/

A Turkish police intelligence report, drafted for internal circulation, also exposed close links between the members of Libyan jihadist Ben Ali group and then-Prime Minister and now President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. Group leader Ben Ali worked closely with Fedaa Majzoub, who was in touch with Erdoğan’s then-chief advisors İbrahim Kalın (now presidential spokesperson) and Sefer Turan (now chief presidential advisor) while arranging the movement of foreign fighters and the supplying of weapons.

[Reaper]

This is what the "peace process" is up against:

https://www.nordicmonitor.com/2020/0...-memo-reveals/

This peace process has 1 aim. To turn the area around Misrata and Tripoli into another Idlib. Sadly it seems Russia is the wrong side of history in this instance. However I don't blame them. Greece is not currently a player and has no contacts with Putin thanks to Tsipras.

Sarraj - who invited Turkey to help create this Idlib is of Turkish extraction himself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fayez_al-Sarraj

[Filikieteria1821]

Greece should have already sent forces, and it would be a page out of the turkish playbook where "you send forces on the ground, to be part of the "solution".

Germany, who essentially told the world that Greece's concerns are irrelevant in light of the Libya issue, will need to force its way to the table, and the only way to do so is by sending forces and having a proxy war versus Turkey.

Greece cannot continue being taken for granted as it has been for the last few decades. Greece needs an independent foreign policy that's good for Greece and no one else. The EU was meant to be a major player where each country stepped at the same pace and towards the same direction, but in 2020, no one can honestly say that the EU is a successful project, especially in foreign policy.

Merkel is legitimately scared that Erdogan will flood the EU with migrants, and is essentially telling Greece it's unimportant in the process.

Greece needs to care about itself, and no one else at this juncture

[Reaper]

Let us just hope Greeks figure out that to achieve peace - prepare for war,, and send troops to Libya before those turkish drilling ships start work within eyeshot from southern Cretan beaches. (mind you - that image will serve Crete right for voting syriza like the thracian muslims in the last election)

[Don Giovanni]

We've been too idle up to date, but now we're starting to take the right approach. These are not easy decisions, but we're finally coming to terms with where we have to be as a country if our sovereignty is going to mean anything.

[Filikieteria1821]

I think it's starting to sink in that if Greece stays on the same course of "mild responses" we will soon find that our land and seas will not be ours anymore.

I think Turkey will send 2 drill ships to Greece (Crete & Kastellorizo) and one drill ship will be Turkish, while another is of foreign origin. Regardless, both drill ships should be sunk and the Greek Navy should be stationed near Katellorizo, Rhodes, Karpathos, Kasos, Crete.

The Berlin Conference bought Sarraj some time, but his forces will be overrun if the pressure keeps up and if Turkey can break United Nations accords, then why can't Greece?

[Reaper]

I think it's starting to sink in that if Greece stays on the same course of "mild responses" we will soon find that our land and seas will not be ours anymore.

I think Turkey will send 2 drill ships to Greece (Crete & Kastellorizo) and one drill ship will be Turkish, while another is of foreign origin. Regardless, both drill ships should be sunk and the Greek Navy should be stationed near Katellorizo, Rhodes, Karpathos, Kasos, Crete.

The Berlin Conference bought Sarraj some time, but his forces will be overrun if the pressure keeps up and if Turkey can break United Nations accords, then why can't Greece?

Before any of that, Greece needs to declare a 12 mile EEZ. Any ambiguity on EEZs will suit Germany/Turkey.