UEFA Champions League

[Amorgos]

2-0 up at Tottenham in the 43rd min

[Reaper]

Meriah....

[Amorgos]

Once again Meriah undoes all the good work

[Reaper]

Once again Meriah undoes all the good work

Can't remember how many games Meriah has lost us? He must be approaching Stafylidis figures..

[Don Giovanni]

2-0 up and then... Meriah

[Dean97]

I can’t stand Mariah... he fucked the whole team. Semedo must be having back problems for carrying this guy all season. Meriah is garbage. I bet the young Serb CB or Avraam would’ve done better.

Tsimikas is great, but isn’t as effective as Koutris going forward. Defensively Tsimikas is very good. Semedo is brilliant and Omar is very average. Sa is outstanding.

I would love to have midfielders like Guilherme and Camara in the Greece midfield. Bouchalakis I thought was ok this game.

Masouras is a gun in my opinion. When he gets more confidence this guy will be a beast for club and country. Whoever thought Masouras and Bakasetas are no different to each other or the same player is laughable because Masouras is a WAY better player than Bakasetas. Masouras has done more for Greece than Bakasetas also in terms of assists and goals. Both need to work on their finishing but Masouras is above Bakasetas in terms of talent and ability.

I like Podence but sometimes he has brain farts. El Arabi scored a great goal. He has a touch of donkey sometimes.

I believe the Meriah mistake killed our momentum. I don’t know how this guy is starting for us and playing champions league. Risvanis or Goutas would be a better replacement.

[Reaper]

Even Ba is better than Meriah.

[Reaper]

SportFM has made a video collage of how many games Meriah has cost Olympiacos:

http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/ta-ma...o-vids/4025686

Speaks volumes of how Olympiacos and Greeks in general give foreigners the benefit of the doubt. Fetfa misses a chance vs PAO and he is forced out the club. Meriah costs Olympiacos last year's championship and countless other games and nothing..

[Don Giovanni]

Dean97

I think Masouras is a good player with potential to maybe one day play in the EPL, but we need some perspective here. Against Tottenham Masouras produced one shot straight at the keeper. He has only scored once in the Greek league all season. His only other goal for Olympiacos this season came against Basaksehir in UCL qualifying. These goals were practically identical: headers inside the the 6-yard box. He's not a regular starter for the club. With Greece, he has scored one goal and provided one assist, both coming against lowly Liechtenstein. He has a long way to go still before we can properly assess his value. Right now he hasn't shown enough to suggest he's an important player.

If the measuring stick is that he's better than Bakasetas, then what does that tell us? Not much. Also I think Mantalos and Fortounis are likelier to start ahead of them both at this rate. Our guys need to do a lot better, all of them. Greek football has hit a major low point. Cyprus has been outperforming Greece in European club football and internationally. When Delle Ali is walking literal circles around Semedo, it's apparent that the gulf in quality between English clubs and Greek clubs remains very big. Meriah wasn't the only issue. OSFP lack quality to compete with the teams of Tottenham's stature. The same goes for Greece. We need players competing at clubs in the highest levels.

[Dean97]

Don Giovanni

I agree with what your saying but I also look at it this way. Bakasetas and Masouras are not the same player they are different but both lack confidence in front of goal. Masouras came from Panionios to Olympiakos and has improved his game and he got a call up for the first when he signed for Olympiakos. Bakasetas came from Panionios and then went to AEK. I believe he hasn’t improved his game and I think he has declined since then. There have been comparisons between Mantalos and Masouras and I think @Thrylos made that comparison. Look at all the chances Masouras had to himself when he has come on off the bench for Greece. Finishing is his problem.

I don’t if it’s because AEK is a big step up from Panionios or he wasn’t any good to begin with. Masouras seems more motivated and I can see him game developing. He has confidence issues but he will come around eventually. Bakasetas problem is his speed. This I believe let’s him down a lot in my opinion. When he loses the ball it’s because he is slow in his reactions and slow physical. Against heavyweights Bakasetas is useless might as well play with a man down. The only positive Bakasetas made against Italy was that pass to Limnios who was through on goal. You can’t count on him to take players on or turn players.

Masouras is effective at CAM and on the wing. We all know how Bakasetas is on the wing. I just think Masouras has more to offer. I’d rather see Masouras be given more chances than Bakasetas.

[Amorgos]

Mate you really overate Masouras as a CAM, he is a very unpolished player, much running and energy which is great but you also need good control and finish. For all the bads put on Bakasetas he has been more effective of late and has helped the Ethniki play a nice flowing game.

We keep saying how motivated one guys is from another - we dont know this!!! We are going of pictures from the TV. I am sure all the guys are very motivated and doing what's best.

I cant see Masouras as a CAM, he doesn't have great control and Baka is better than him there and has offered more to the ethniki in the last period, this more chances his way and he's taken then with both feet.

Don's post above is spot on.

[Kojak]

That's what will hold back guys like Masouras from becoming a mainstay in the Big leagues. This generation of (and previous) greek footballers overall have lacked a clinical/ruthless finish. We seem to perennially produce the "xazogolis" gene in the majority of our quality attacking players.

[Dean97]

Mate you really overate Masouras as a CAM, he is a very unpolished player, much running and energy which is great but you also need good control and finish. For all the bads put on Bakasetas he has been more effective of late and has helped the Ethniki play a nice flowing game.

We keep saying how motivated one guys is from another - we dont know this!!! We are going of pictures from the TV. I am sure all the guys are very motivated and doing what's best.

I cant see Masouras as a CAM, he doesn't have great control and Baka is better than him there and has offered more to the ethniki in the last period, this more chances his way and he's taken then with both feet.

Don's post above is spot on.

Masouras and Bakasetas have problems with finishing, both have missed opportunities right in front of goal. Thats where they are similar and that’s where everyone is similar for Greece. They need to work on their composure and not be too overwhelmed in those situations. Saying who’s better is pointless because they both on average have had 3 goals and 3 assists per season in the GSL. Don is right as its pointless debating who’s better because both, statistically have had mediocre careers.

Fetfatzidis is better than both but another player with finishing problems. Out of all our CAMs and wingers Fortounis is showing to have a more successful career for Greece and club. It’s personal preference at the end of the day as there’s not much separating most of our players but if I had to choose, I’d choose players with speed, energy and skill and Masouras has more of it than Bakasetas.

[Don Giovanni]

I think they're both players who still have much to prove. They're also very similar players. Both came through at Panionios and play in similar roles. I don't see a world's difference between the two. Bakasetas, however, as of late has been playing regularly and his club are top of the table in Turkey despite the odds.

[Reaper]

Masouras is a pure winger who has pace and who had a good goal tally last season.

I don't know what Bakasetas is supposed to be. Some sort of slow 10 who can't score and can barely assist?

Masouras for me has a future. He is always a goal away from from a prolonged bit of form. Bakasetas.. he just keeps getting starts in the hope of something. His 1 assist in 25 games should however make a him a starter for the foreseeable future knowing Greek NT logic.