FYROM

[Filikieteria1821]

Agreed but I need to see Zaev lose in parliament as well to believe it. With how much pressure being put on Greece and FYROM to reach a deal, these forces will stop at nothing to get this done.

But, like I said its going to be hard to get another 8 seats to flip

[Reaper]

Agreed but I need to see Zaev lose in parliament as well to believe it. With how much pressure being put on Greece and FYROM to reach a deal, these forces will stop at nothing to get this done.

But, like I said its going to be hard to get another 8 seats to flip

It suits them not to flip and get back into power in the resulting elections and there they can make real money once in power again.

[Filikieteria1821]

Agreed. It suits to topple Zaev to regain control and money.

VRMO is known for extreme corruption

[Filikieteria1821]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oASSf79qZCs

These people need a good ass kicking

[Filikieteria1821]

Parliamentary session has been delayed because Zaev is scrambling to see who he can bribe from the VMRO to vote for the agreement. Also, I was listening to Real FM before and heard a report that members of the opposition party were offered 250k Euro bribes in order to switch their votes.

This is the biggest sham and if people are coerced into voting for this agreement, it will need to come back to greek parliament.

[Reaper]

Kammenos is the one who will either sell out 2500 years if Greek history by voting with Tsipras or he will do what the vast majority of Greeks want and defend our national identity against leftist revisionists.

[Filikieteria1821]

Well the west EU/US pressure certainly worked as you had a bunch of VMRO members switch their votes in order to get lesser sentences on their pending corruption charges, and im sure their bank accounts are nicely funded now as well.

Very sad day in history. Key to all of this is Kammenos which is a huge gamble.

[Taxman]

The site I used to write my macedonia articles for got taken over by Russians. Any ideas where I could start publishing them instead?

[Reaper]

The site I used to write my macedonia articles for got taken over by Russians. Any ideas where I could start publishing them instead?

Here file.

[Filikieteria1821]

Taxman, you can publish them here, and I would think other english content greek news sites may be interested.

I can tell you one thing, Kathimerini (english edition) has published articles that lean very left on the issue, but I see them get a ton of traffic.

Greek reporter is another one, as well as Ethnikos Kirikas (The National Herald).

Newsbomb.gr/en is greek news in english.

And of course, even trying to have a greek publisher do so would work because a ton of people use google chrome that can automatically translate.

[Taxman]

Good idea to do it here, I'll PM you later Reaper.

[Filikieteria1821]

Looking forward to it Taxman!

[Reaper]

Deal dead yet?

[Filikieteria1821]

Not yet, hopefully soon, once it reaches Greek Parliament.

Was reading that a centrist Haris Theocharis who was an independent MP, has now joined ND. Apparently Syriza was counting on him to vote in favor of the agreement, not anymore.

[Soprano76]

Just adding my two cents here, though I am going to echo and agree with much of what has already been said.

Based on archaeological finds and the written record, academic consensus is that the ancient Macedonians were a predominantly Doric-Greek tribe who had Thracian and Illyrian admixture. Based on this, the term "Macedonia is Greek" and our claiming sole possession of Alexander and the ancient Makedones is valid. The type of dribble/propaganda coming out of the old Gruevski government and disseminated by the Skopian diaspora (including figures whom I will not name but are very prominent on social media and online forums such as "Macedonian" Truth) absolutely defies logic and all known evidence. I have to admit that when I was high school, and before I really read into these things on my own, I began to think that the ancient Macedonian were not Greek based on Skopian propaganda. A silly thing to think now, that is for sure; but I have definitely done my research and am happier for it.

Anyway, based on a combination of modern political reality and the history in the Balkans ranging from the 7th century BCE (the period at which the first historical king of Macedonia, Perdiccas I, founded his kingdom) thru the reigns of the Eastern Roman Empire and the Bulgarian kingdom, past the turmoils of the Balkan Wars and to the present day, I say this: Greece's northern neighbors have no right to use "Macedonian" as an ethnonym or to name their language.

The Prespes Agreement absolutely FAILS because it capitulates to a historical falsity. In a perfect world, these people would refer to their country as the Republic of Vardaria and refer to themselves as West-Bulgarians or some variation. Based on today's political realities, I could begrudgingly accept something like Republic of Slavomacedonia with an ethnic qualifier such as Slavomacedonian.

I'm sure there's much discussion we can generate on this topic and the history of Macedonia in general. The ancient Macedonians fascinate me more than any other Greek people given their unique status in the ancient Greek world. If we were to look at a more contemporary time period, the shifting of allegiances between Greeks and Bulgarians (who quite probably outnumbered Greeks at the time) in the region during the Macedonian Struggle or Balkan Wars is strikingly complex. There are many people who were not ethnically Greek who sacrificed much to reunite Macedonia with a free Greek state - Ion Dragoumis (though his family had been assimilated into Greek culture for decades), Evangelos Natsis, Konstantinos Hristou, Gonos Giotas to name a few.